Curse

KvanCetre · Jun 22, 2005, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I have no interest...point and click and wait for them to die isn't my idea of fun.....it might be for others..but to ME it's a joke. There's no skill involved in GW PvP...there just isn't. You select your build..you enter the arena...you point on a target then select the skill to use...."Having Skill" doesn't mean a bunch of buttons on the bottom of your screen.

By saying its "click and wait for them to die" I could easily say counter-strike is simply "pointing the gun and pulling the trigger"

But then we're both being dumb.

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by KvanCetre

By saying its "click and wait for them to die" I could easily say counter-strike is simply "pointing the gun and pulling the trigger"

But then we're both being dumb.

you have recoil...you can't shoot in a crouch in counter strike(unless you're in a pub...and if you're shooting from a crouch in a pub you're a noob and there's no reason to have this discussion)

there's other people shooting back at you...and YOU DON'T GET 500 HP with the ability to be res'd and healed. You don't get health back by running around the map. You don't get to come back to life before the next round.

NONE of the guns shoot the same way...they are ALL different with recoil...fiing rate...distance....strength.

there are countless elements of counter strike that make the game far more skillfull than GW PvP.

asdar · Jun 22, 2005, 03:48 PM // 15:48

You've never done HoH and you won't. You just said Pubs are a joke because they've never played in leagues but you can't recognize the paralel that is HoH is to Lyons as Pubs are to leagues?

If you don't want to play that's fine but you're saying that playing baseball is funner than playing soccer. That's just your own opinion and not really one that's backed up by anything.

Acan Vishnu · Jun 22, 2005, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Sure, you can click on someone and just wait for them to die... But oops.. they've got a monk behind them.. or maybe they've got some stances lined up to avoid all that nice damage output, or they've got an ele with protection spells, or maybe they've got better damage output than you, or maybe they're on higher ground than you, or maybe they've got empathy, spirit of failure, ennervating charge, blinding flash, pacifism, or a lot of knockdown skills, or interupts to stop your skills, or....

Spyle · Jun 22, 2005, 03:56 PM // 15:56

lol, just got my 2 copies of BF2. I'd argue with you guys more but I'm too excited to care.

I'll be fighting with tanks, jeeps, buggies, planes, boats, choppers. Planting mines, sticking C4 on vehicles/artillery, reviving dead squad members, defending flags, attacking flags, knifing snipers, being a sniper, coordinating attacks with the commander, and countless other things.

All of which require no skill at all, it's all luck and *twitch* based. Nothing to do with teamwork either. And it's certainly no war, I mean, only 32ppl on each side? Please. We all know that 8 people is all you need for a real fun war.

Yep, it takes a lot more skill to pick your skill for slot 6 in GW (all while sitting safely in prep area or build screen). Point and shoot? lol please. Command your army in an RTS type mode except each unit has a real mind behind? Stupid. I'd much rather be elite at pressing key # 2 fast enough to do dmg on the preselected target.

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by asdar

You've never done HoH and you won't. You just said Pubs are a joke because they've never played in leagues but you can't recognize the paralel that is HoH is to Lyons as Pubs are to leagues?

If you don't want to play that's fine but you're saying that playing baseball is funner than playing soccer. That's just your own opinion and not really one that's backed up by anything.

oh I'm gonna do HoH when I get their...just to reaffirm my belief that the PvP aspect of this game is a joke....and if it's not a joke you can be assured I'll come to the forums here and retract my statements. I'm not the type of person to complain just for the sake of complaining. Even if I DON'T like PvP in the HoH I'll be able to admit there is skill involved....if in fact there actually is any. All of the PvP i've done this far(which IS limited) has been "set trap...run behind my trap....fire arrows until someone dies or chases me through said trap....wait for everyone to die".

I still die in pubs....I still get killed...I still have to pay attention and keep my eyes open. Last night I played a PvP match where I set my character to a target and then left and smoked a cigarrette...when I came back I was still alive and the team had won.......that's not exactly skill.

Mr. Matt · Jun 22, 2005, 04:04 PM // 16:04

Why are you comparing two completely different games from two completely different genres which both require two completely different types of skill?

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

Why are you comparing two completely different games from two completely different genres which both require two completely different types of skill?

because 1 of them works as a PvP...and the other is a complete joke. the comparison is the PvP aspect of each game...not the game itself.

Gerbill · Jun 22, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

Fact Remains....everything you all want in a PvP game is available in Counter Strike...and Counter Strike works as a PvP....Guild Wars won't be around 7 years from now...Funny thing, Counter Strike probably will be.

oh is that true ?

- diversity of skills (CS .. skills ? maybe multiple weapons...)

- cool effects, magic looks nice =) (a Hand Grenade.. err.. =/ )

- OMG we've planted the bomb and not encountered an enemy.. omg.. it's like.. yeah.. we won without ever having to fire a shot.

- Oh.. I am not very good at the game but I want to learn it, let's just give it a try *enters game, buys weapons* walks about carefully.. oh oh a terrorist! *fires* omg.. he turned around headshot.. damn... and so on..

- where are the swords, axes, hammers ?

list could go on...and oooonnn

cc.pyro · Jun 22, 2005, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Wow BF2 sounds awesome...I might have to look into that. I haven't played GW for more than an hour in the last 3 weeks. It became deathly boring when my friends stopped playing because it was impossible for us to obtain a sigil so we could start PvPing. We lost the drive to play because of the shitty economic system in GW. Anyway. Before that GW was great. I never played HoH but even the regular PvP required more skill than CSS. Don't get me wrong CSS is amazingly fun but the entire game revolves around luck. The game hinges on who sees who first and pulls the trigger first and gets lucky enough to have a bullet hit. You can't compare CSS to really anything other than games exactly like it (Socom/SocomII etc). It's not like GW. GW requires thought and timing CSS doesn't. In CSS you know what the enemies have: Guns, grenades, and flashbangs. In GW you have no way of telling what the other team is packing. Both great games but you can't compare them. At this point CSS and GW have bored me and I've started to play NFS and Sports games. But if I had a choice about which PvP game to play I would boot up the Xbox and play Halo2.

Loviatar · Jun 22, 2005, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

because 1 of them works as a PvP...and the other is a complete joke. the comparison is the PvP aspect of each game...not the game itself.

a serious question for you

since you consider it a waste of time and bf2 and cs are your dream games to play the style of game you want why are you wasteing time posting on the forum of a game that sucks big time on something so important to you?

i think that is a fair question

Mr. Matt · Jun 22, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

because 1 of them works as a PvP...and the other is a complete joke. the comparison is the PvP aspect of each game...not the game itself.

The PvP aspect of each game is not comparable, though. Counterstrike isn't an RPG, if you hadn't noticed.

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Gerbill

oh is that true ?

- diversity of skills (CS .. skills ? maybe multiple weapons...)

the skill is in your ability to play the game...something Guild Wars claims to be.

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- cool effects, magic looks nice =) (a Hand Grenade.. err.. =/ )

Exactly the reason I play Guild Wars...if I want something to look pretty I play GW and explore the terrain. If I want PvP I play Counter Strike and ignore that its ugly.

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- OMG we've planted the bomb and not encountered an enemy.. omg.. it's like.. yeah.. we won without ever having to fire a shot.

never once have I planted the bomb and had it gone off without EVER seeing an enemy...I'm not sure how this would even be possible unless they stack Site A and you plant at B and they never try to defuse...certainly the rarity not the norm.

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- Oh.. I am not very good at the game but I want to learn it, let's just give it a try *enters game, buys weapons* walks about carefully.. oh oh a terrorist! *fires* omg.. he turned around headshot.. damn... and so on..

I don't think I killed anyone the first 15 times I played the game...random headshots happen....but certainly not enough that it would make the game enjoyable if you didn't have skill

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- where are the swords, axes, hammers ?

you'd look pretty foolish showing up to a gun fight with a sword wouldn't you?

Celes Tial · Jun 22, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

that's all I had to do to win....why would I go above what I have to do to win. There was no need for me to do anything but click ignite arrows and Duel Shot/Power Shot until everyone was dead....THAT'S THE PROBLEM!

Come play against my guild, that strategy will last you 1 minute at most. You wontnt even be able to take our monk down.

Wait, nevermind, I forgot you dont play PvP.

You must have had an odd string of luck in the... couple hours you played PvP? Maybe the rest of the team was competent enough to win every match for you.

Mr. Matt · Jun 22, 2005, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

and from what the PvP players want out of this game....GW won't be RPG either.

Well then, maybe they should go and play one of the plethora of first-person-shooters already out there, instead. Seriously, why are people here so intent on re-inventing the wheel?

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

a serious question for you

since you consider it a waste of time and bf2 and cs are your dream games to play the style of game you want why are you wasteing time posting on the forum of a game that sucks big time on something so important to you?

i think that is a fair question

I love Guild Wars....it's a really really good PvE game. so no...I don't think it sucks. I think it's value as a PvE is quite good....It's value as a PvP is quite poor.

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Originally Posted by Celes Tial

Come play against my guild, that strategy will last you 1 minute at most. You wontnt even be able to take our monk down.

Wait, nevermind, I forgot you dont play PvP.

You must have had an odd string of luck in the... couple hours you played PvP? Maybe the rest of the team was competent enough to win every match for you.

or maybe it's that PvP doesn't require skill at all....merely the thought process that says "Kill the MONK FIRST"....

as far as playing your guild...thank you but I'll pass

Aug · Jun 22, 2005, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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merely the thought process that says "Kill the MONK FIRST"....

That may work in the random arenas, but that level of thought process won't win games in even the Team Arenas, let alone ToPK or guild battles.

ComMan · Jun 22, 2005, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

PvP = Counter Strike

This is a game with 3 guns: an AWP, and 2 nearly identical rifles (AK, Colt). Nobody uses anything else. Every round is the same, and is ALWAYS dominated by 2 or 3 players who can headshot every single time, from all the way across the map. CS is the dullest game on the face of the earth. How that game has more players than Unreal and Battlefield is baffling to me, and it makes me cry at night.

bobrath · Jun 22, 2005, 05:29 PM // 17:29

Just so I can clear up something in my mind Algren, does winning at Chess require skill?

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by ComMan

This is a game with 3 guns: an AWP, and 2 nearly identical rifles (AK, Colt). Nobody uses anything else. Every round is the same, and is ALWAYS dominated by 2 or 3 players who can headshot every single time, from all the way across the map. CS is the dullest game on the face of the earth. How that game has more players than Unreal and Battlefield is baffling to me, and it makes me cry at night.

the AK and Colt are nothing alike...at all. which shows how little you've played the game.

and you can choose to play with whatever gun you want to play with....just like you can choose whatever skill you want for PvP in GW...some skills are more usefull(the ak and the colt) some have their moments (smgs)...some are there just to make the game more fun should you be above the skill level of everyone else(pump, tmp, mac, knife ump)...just like GW it's all how you play the game.

My team has played entire matches with just knife and pump...and it was alot of fun.

in a PUB yes there are 1 or 2 players that dominate...in league play the playing field is more level(no hacks...atleast minimal, unless you play CAL-O).